Star Wars: Episode 9 - Rise of Skywalker (SPOILERI)

Rise, my minions! Znam da svi lurkate svako malo! 

Dakle, kraj nam naše drage nove trilogije za tri mjeseca, a teme nigdje. Za kormilom je dragi naš JJ Abrams (znam da Check sad okreće očima), no nakon katastrofe koja je bila The Last Jedi, ne krivim Disney što hoće nekoga tko za šta radi. Let the bitching begin!

Osobno čekam The Mandaloriana i Star Trek da krene opet. EP9 mi je niže na listi.

Memovi su dozvoljeni.

Trailer ak nemate pojma o čemu pričam.

The Last Jedi nije dobio poštenu priliku. Fanovi su se ponijeli ko gamad prema Johnsonu i castu. Solo je bolji film nego što ljudi misle. Ehrenreich je dobar cast. Nisam vidio ni teaser ni trailer ni spoiler za Ep9.

Riječi ne mogu opisati moju mržnju prema Kathleen Kennedy.

Dude's right.

Fite meh.

A onak... TLJ bi bio bolji da nije bio kolekcija dead endova sa fora set piecevima? A Solo bi bio bolji da nije bio o Hanu nego samo o nekim smugglerima.

Iskreno, koliko god da je TFA bio ANH 2.0, I still liked it. Abrams zna napraviti zabavan film nakon kojeg se covjek ne osječa uvrijeđeno, so I'll give him that...

Also, @Orion: Necromancers are just healers with bad timing.

Orion...no nakon katastrofe koja je bila The Last Jedi, ne krivim Disney što hoće nekoga tko za šta radi.

 
Nezna ni Jar Jar Abrams što hoće, osim vodenih efekata i valova. EP9 će biti sve ono što nisu uspjeli pokrasti iz TESB-a za osmicu, kao ova lažna "darkside" Rey (Luke i Dagobah) plus cijeli ROTJ besramno sve iznova već viđeno. Hana nisam pogledao, nije mi ni čudno da je film pao na blagajnama jer postoje knjige o Hanu, a oni to nisu uopće uzeli u obzir. Rade gluposti i to im se, drago mi je, odbija o glavu. Ovi filmovi s Rey će postati kao X-Men i Terminator.

To je ono najtuznije, sve dosada vidjeno smrdi na fan service. Al ajde. Bude gledljivo valjda.

Ljudovi dragi, hail from UK. Trebao bih pisati disertaciju, ali ulovila me nostalgija za pre-Disney vremenima nakon što sam pogledao drugi trailer za TROS:



...i onda sam otišao čitati stare postove na EA-u i MCS forumu.  Ne znam kako da to opišem, ali ST mi jednostavno nema dušu i taj SW feel koji imaju i amaterski postovi na EA-u. Mislim, izgleda sve to fora i uglancano na novom traileru, ali svejedno iz svakog piksela pršti: "Disney".:/ Teško je uopće izraziti, ali sve izgleda površno, bez dubine i imerzije u SW univerzum. Ne znam, imam neki loš osjećaj da će na kraju prosječni TFA ostati još najbolji od cijele ST, bar meni. SW feela mi puno više ima u PT-u, pa i CW-u i Rebelsima nego u ST. Ugl, toliko me odbila cijela situacija sa sequelima (pogotovo razmišljanje o TLJ-u tends to do that) da mi se nije dalo ovdje pokretati temu za film koji u nazivu nosi prezime mog omiljenog lika i zaključuje cijelu Skywalker sagu. Što reći...

Način na koji se moj mozak nosi s cijelom ovom kognitivnom disonancom je da mi ST ima status apokrifa (iliti Legendsa), a saga mi je završila s ROTJ-om. Naravno, jako bih volio da se varam i da ispadne da je TROS na kraju super. Nitko sretniji od mene. Ali trenutno se puno više veselim Mandalorianu i najavljenoj Kenobi seriji.

Same... ova trilogija je ispala jedan veliki #fail. S druge strane, ako su prequeli uspjeli stvoriti SW fanove, onda će i ovo 

Radnja je plošna, likovi kartonski. Ne osjećam nikakvu vezu s likovima da bi se u meni pobudila ikakva emocija o kraju trilogije, jedne ere. Taj “epski kraj” najavljuju kao da smo ga čekali deset godina. Raniji filmovi su imali neku nit vodilju koja se sa svakim filmom malo po malo otkrivala, ovdje nema ničeg takvog, osim iste u suštini bezlične radnje koja kopira glavnu okosnicu stare trilogije i nada se živjeti na tom iskopiranom. Ovaj drugi trailer je osrednja žalost…Kakve sad ruševine Zvijezde Smrti… u moru, sa sustavom obrambenih zidina s protuavionskim tornjevima? Avatar konje vani na trupu broda mogu samo djeca do šeste godine prožvakati.

Ne gajim nadu da će film biti imalo gledljiv, kud tek dobar, uz to ga još i radi ista ekipa koja je napravila The Farse Awakens, ali ajde, napokon završava ova TROLOgija.

Imperial admiralali ajde, napokon završava ova TROLOgija.

Hah! Kradem ovo.

check-wanS druge strane, ako su prequeli uspjeli stvoriti SW fanove, onda će i ovo 

Da, basically jedino pozitivno što je došlo od sequela. 

Imperial admiralRadnja je plošna, likovi kartonski. Ne osjećam nikakvu vezu s likovima da bi se u meni pobudila ikakva emocija o kraju trilogije, jedne ere. Taj “epski kraj” najavljuju kao da smo ga čekali deset godina. Raniji filmovi su imali neku nit vodilju koja se sa svakim filmom malo po malo otkrivala, ovdje nema ničeg takvog, osim iste u suštini bezlične radnje koja kopira glavnu okosnicu stare trilogije i nada se živjeti na tom iskopiranom.

Potpisujem svaku riječ.

Imperial admiralOvaj drugi trailer je osrednja žalost…Kakve sad ruševine Zvijezde Smrti… u moru, sa sustavom obrambenih zidina s protuavionskim tornjevima? Avatar konje vani na trupu broda mogu samo djeca do šeste godine prožvakati.

Jao kod tih konja se moja depra u vezi trologije (tnx za termin) produbila za još jednu razinu niže. Odmah sam se sjetio uzaludne ekskurzije na planet kojem smo se toliko veselili jer je sniman u Dubrovniku, a na kraju ispao najveće slijepo crijevo filma.

A cijela stvar u vezi Death Stara... Zašto... zašto?! Pa zar nisu i jedan i drugi DS razneseni u komadiće? Kako su sada toliki ogromni dijelovi preživjeli, zajedno s Palpatineom? Ne znam, ja bih zaista želio da film bude dobar, ali teško je sve to provariti, uz najbolje namjere...

Pustinjski planet, skiffovi, Zvijezda smrti 2, Palpatine. Poznato?

Zanosa, elana, nestrpljivog iščekivanja, špekuliranja, magije više nema. U zadnje četiri godine dobili smo četiri filma, dva razočaranja, RO je iznimno dobar, Solo... Nije toliko dobar, ali pozitivno je šta nije loš.

Ostaje nada da će se Lucas ipak bar malo angažirati oko Kenobija.

Od nove trilogije sam, žao mi je natipkati, kompletno odustao nakon Ep 8. Nije mi sjelo što su išli reciklirati radnju i razvodnili je, ne mogu se povezati s protagonistima, antagonistima, šarenilom, glupavim humorom, površnim likovima. Sve se događa zbrda zdola i glupo je, a SW lore većinom ignoriran. Mogli su komotno to prebaciti nekoj drugoj franšizi.

Ali...

Mandalorian me oduševio toliko jako da ga smještam uz bok originalnoj trilogiji.

Za one kojima Ep 8 "nije sjela kako spada":

Pa u pravu je. Vise manje sve potpisujem.

Na ovo nemam želje ni trošiti riječi... Imao sam enormno niska očekivanja, no TROSka je i njih uspjela 'podmašiti'. Bravo, Disney, uspjeli ste pokopati Skywalker sagu. Ostajem kod svog da je ST za mene apokrif, a saga je završila s ROTJ-om.

check-wanOd nove trilogije sam, žao mi je natipkati, kompletno odustao nakon Ep 8. Nije mi sjelo što su išli reciklirati radnju i razvodnili je, ne mogu se povezati s protagonistima, antagonistima, šarenilom, glupavim humorom, površnim likovima. Sve se događa zbrda zdola i glupo je, a SW lore većinom ignoriran. Mogli su komotno to prebaciti nekoj drugoj franšizi.

Ali...

Mandalorian me oduševio toliko jako da ga smještam uz bok originalnoj trilogiji.

My thoughts exactly... Iz istih razloga sam odustao nakon 8-ice. A TROSka je obilovala gore navedenim osobinama na kvadrat.

Da su činovnici Disneya imalo pametni, prepustili bi sve Filoniju - očito je jedini dovoljno kompetentan rekreirati SW svijet i atmosferu koju je Lucas, uz sve svoje mane, itekako u svakom filmu postigao i znao smisleno voditi arc od početka do kraja, uz dostojan buildup i finale. U tome se Filoni sa svojim korpusom postavlja kao Lucasov jedini dostojan nasljednik (ok, Rogue One je isto odličan). JarJar Abrams, Rihanna Johnson i ekipa ST-a mogu samo sanjati o visinama CW-a, Rebelsa i, već sada, Mandaloriana.

Navodno je procurila skripta Colin Trevorrowe verzije epizode IX koja se trebala zvati DUEL OF THE FATES umjesto Rise of Skywalker
Leak naravno ništa ne mijenja sa epizodom IX, ali je svejedno zanimljiva informacija i pregled alternativnog puta kojim je film mogao ići.
Ne znam kako bi izgledao prijenos skripte u sami film, ali ovo mi djeluje puno bolje od Rise of Skywalker.
Video je dug, dolje je netko napisao ukratko informacije dok je gledao video. Ima još videa po youtube koji analiziraju leakove iz ovog tagiranog videa. Dug je uvod i lik voli pričati, no više je informacija nego dolje u skraćenom pregledu




Live updating this post as I listen...
Trevorrow's draft is from 12.16.16 (a week before Carrie's death)
Title is DUEL OF THE FATES
CRAWL:
The iron grip of the FIRST ORDER has spread to the farthest reaches of the galaxy. Only a few scattered planets remain unoccupied. Traitorous acts are punishable by death.
Determined to suffocate a growing unrest, Supreme Leader KYLO REN has silenced all communication between neighboring systems.
Led by GENERAL LEIA ORGANA, the Resistance has planned a secret mission to prevent their annihilation and forge a path to freedom...
Opens at the Kuat Shipyards (man on a mission-style)
BB-8 and Rose Tico (allegedly a key character in script) are infiltrating Kuat Moon where First Order build their ships (workers are oppressed). There is an orbital ring and moon below it. Finn and Poe are there. No R2/3PO. Rey arrives.
The plan: Send explosive into the power shaft that delivers raw ore into the ring.
Plan goes wrong. (RBM loves dialogue at this moment.) First Order is able to contain blast. Admiral Vaughn says Resistance tactics are "pitful."
Rey disguised as a Tusken Raider is revealed to have created her own weapon (a double-blade lightsaber hybrid of her staff and Luke's cracked saber).
They battle and Poe, Finn, Rose, Rey, and BB-8 STEAL A STAR DESTROYER (Eclipse-class) and escape.
The Knife 9 a ship containing the Knights of Ren arrives a Kuat. Ataska (?) Ren kills Admiral Vaughn for his failure.
CUT TO: CORUSCANT. No longer a vibrant city. "The new structures are built atop the art deco structure of the old republic." Occupied by the First Order now (they have a citadel/palace there). Citizens are scavengers now. Hux is now CHANCELLOR HUX and is addressing Bisc Kova (traitor who helped Resist. steal Star Destroyer.) Kova is executed with a light blade guillotine.
Hux and Commander Selleck have a meeting with several alien war lords (ode to ANH imperial council scene). First Order has allies. They are aware of Rey being the last Jedi. Council wants to know WHERE IS KYLO REN? He is missing. Hux only knows he has gone searching for something of great power.
CUT TO: MUSTAFAR. Kylo Ren is alone, except for a Darth Maul-esque droid. He has stubble indicating search has been for a long time. Ren is being HAUNTED by Luke's force ghost.
Luke: "This is where the dark path leads; an empty tomb." Kylo (retort): "Where did your path lead?"
Luke is trying to convince him to go back to Leia. Kylo: "I'm going to be more powerful than any Jedi...even you."
In Vader's Temple, Kylo finds a Sith Holocron which reveals a hologram of Palpatine. Recording is for Vader. Palpatine has a contingency for Vader if Luke kills him. Vader is to take Luke to the Remnicore (?) System to see TOR VALUM, Master of Sith/Palpatine's Teacher.
After scanning Kylo, the Holocron explodes and releases red lighting which burns Kylo, who screams.
CUT TO: RESISTANCE BASE on KOR-ALAF (?). Leia is introduced as she feels what's happening to Ben. Chewbacca and Lt. Connix tell Leia that the Kuat team is back. They're shocked to see a Star Destroyer (which is landed onto the planet). Funny moment w/ Rey using Mind Trick on First Order officers who were still on the ship.
Rey confides in Finn that she doesn't feel like she has what it takes to be a Jedi and can't live up to everyone's expectations. Finn asks her if she still senses Kylo. Rey confesses she's been having nightmares. Finn asks if it's Kylo. Rey says she can't explain their connection.
Finn: "You have to shut him out. He can't change. It's too late." Rey: "It's never to late to change. You taught me that Finn."
Resistance realizes that the Star Destroyer stills has most of it's weapons (tanks, TIEs, etc). Only missing piece is an army to use it.
Rey researching the Jedi texts from Anch-To discovers that under Coruscant Jedi Temple there is a communication system (called a FORCE BEACON) from the Old Republic that can send a signal to 50 planets. They plan on using it to get allies. First Order can't stop it, since it predates Imperial tech. Rey: "Hope is all we have left."
Force Ghost Luke appears as Rey trains. Luke is pushing Rey to get stronger in the Force, while he is pushing Kylo to let Ben out.
Kylo makes it back to Coruscant. Face is damaged. Mandalorian armor is smelted and is been applied to his face. Confronts Hux and belittles him, saying he doesn't need titles.
Rey to Luke as they train: "Balance? The dark suffocates the light, light extinguishes the dark. Over and over and over again. How is that balance in the force?"
Luke: "I know that anger. My father had it too.'
Rey: "So says my master and his master before him. A thousand masters so eager to tell us how to live."
Rest of exchange between Rey and Luke is basically Rey trying to back away from being a Jedi (she admits she is NO ONE) and Luke trying to convince her (he says the Force is speaking to her).
Back to Kylo. He and Hux continue to snipe at each other. Kylo says he's leaving again, but not before telling Hux the power he discovered will make destroying planets insignificant. Kylo's last order to Hux: "Find the Resistance, wipe them out, leave the girl to me."
TEAM A (Rose, Finn, R2, 3PO): Going to Coruscant to light the beacon.
TEAM B (Rey, Poe, Chewbacca): Going to a planet to find someone to help Rey figure out what she needs to do. (side: Yes, his descrp. is that vague)
Kylo is going to a Sith Planet/Remnicore. EDIT: Before he leaves Coruscant, he takes Vader's mask and says he understands Vader now. Kylo: "You allowed love to cloud your judgement" and he throws Vader's mask off of a balcony and it shatters.
Leia stays at the base overseeing the Resistance.
Before Rey leaves, she and Leia have an exchange were Rey says she believes there's still good in Kylo. Leia is skeptical, but Rey believes in her Jedi Training. Leia: "You're not like my father or my brother. You're new. Whatever happens, remember the force choose you Rey. You're story isn't written by anyone else."
RMB starts summarizing now:
First Order tracks down stolen Star Destroyer to Kor-Alaf. Resistance escapes.
TEAM A successfully infiltrates the Jedi Temple and turn on the beacon. Cut to different places around the galaxy receiving the signal (Bossk cameo). It is then cut off by the First Order. TEAM A then flee into the underbelly of Coruscant.
TEAM B are being pursued by the Knife 9 (Knights of Ren ship) and eventually reach the planet Bonadan.
Kylo reaches Remincore and confronts Tor Valum (7000 yrs old, alien of unknown origin, spindly, intense sinewy muscle -- very Lovecraftian). Kylo begins training with Valum. Ode to ESB Cave scene: Kylo fights Vader. Fight is brutal and Kylo loses.
Bonadan: Poe takes Rey to a Seer who can pull information out of memories. The Seer pulls a star chart out of Rey's mind from her visions w/ Kylo. Knights of Ren show up and fight Rey in a lightsaber battle. She defeats them and TEAM B escapes.
Both Rey and Kylo eventually get to MORTIS.
Leia asks Lando if he will organize the smugglers and fight the First Order.
Rose is captured and tortured by the First Order, but is able to escape.
Finn/R2/3PO start a citizens uprising on Coruscant around the First Order's Citadel/Palace.
Leia brings her forces to Coruscant to battle the FO. Massive space battle, ground battle (ROTJ-style you know the works lol). Chewie flies an X-Wing.
Rey and Kylo battle on Mortis, using force energy that can pull from each other. At some point is revealed Kylo killed Rey's parents at the behest of Snoke. Towards the end, Luke/Obi Wan/Yoda appear as Force Ghosts to save Ben, but are unsuccessful. Ben is "extinguished."
RMB seems to be at the end, so just for house keeping sake - Resistance won, First Order loses.
One final deet: Han Solo did appear in the script and does confront Kylo at some point.

nisam još pogledao.